Is it true that yoga will awaken deeper energy, which is called kundalini? | J. Krishnamurti

Is it true that yoga will awaken deeper energy, which is called kundalini? | J. Krishnamurti

These are the most
crazy questions! Will the practice
of yoga, as it is being done
in Europe and America, help to bring about
a spiritual awakening? Is it true that yoga
will awaken deeper energy, which is called
kundalini? May I read it
once more? It’s not necessary? Q:No.
K:Right? From the sublime
to the ridiculous. The so-called yoga, which the West,
and part of the East in India, was invented about
the 17th and 18th century, the exercises, in order not only
to have a very good body, healthy body, through force
– you understand? – through discipline,
through control, in order to awaken
so-called higher energy. 17th, 18th century. The real Yoga,
which is called Raja Yoga, King of Yogas, is to lead
a highly moral life, not morality according
to circumstances, according to culture, but true ethical
activity in life – not to hurt, not to drink,
not to drug yourself, right amount of sleep,
right amount of food, clear thinking, and acting morally, doing the right thing. I won’t go into all that,
what is right and wrong. They never mentioned,
as far as I understand, after talking
with a great many scholars, they never mentioned
about exercise. They say exercise normally –
walk, swim, all that, but their emphasis was
a very moral life, a mind which is active. And modern yoga… The meaning of the word
you all know, you probably know. I have talked to the scholars
too and they say it doesn’t quite mean that,
which is to join. The meaning of the word
‘yoga’ is to join, join the higher
with the lower, or the lower
with the higher. You understand? And modern yoga… I don’t know why I am talking
about all this nonsense! I don’t know
why they call it yoga, it should be called
just exercise, but that wouldn’t
appeal to you! You have to pay money
to learn yoga, to breathe properly,
and all that. You can practise yoga, the exercises
of different kinds. The speaker has done
some of it, for years, taught by the experts; fortunately,
they didn’t charge, because they also thought
I was an expert. Sorry!
(Laughter) I am not an expert, and so they soon
deserted me! Or I deserted them,
whichever way… Sirs, you can do
this kind of yoga, exercise for the rest
of your life – you won’t awaken
spiritual insight, nor will the awakening of a higher energy
come into being. You know, in the East they have
a word for this called kundalini. Some of you
probably have read or been caught
in that word. But most of the people, as far
as I have discussed with them, who have gone into
this matter very deeply, they are always quoting
somebody else, back to the original
mischief-maker. Sorry.
(Laughter) And none of them
– please, believe me – none of them
have awakened this thing. They talk about it. They feel certain
experiences, which they call
by this name. I have discussed with them
very seriously, and what they
are talking about is a certain form of increasing
energy to do more mischief. I mean that. By eating the right food,
by control, by breathing properly,
etc., etc., etc., you have more energy,
naturally. And that gives you
a sense of superiority, and you are enlightened,
and so on. But there is a different
form of… I won’t go into it
because you are all eager, I am not touching it. That can only happen
when the self is not. Then there is a totally
different kind of energy to keep the mind
fresh, young, alive, and that can only come
when there is absolutely no sense of the self. Right?
Obviously. Because the self,
the ‘me,’ the centre, is in constant conflict. Right? Wanting, not wanting,
creating dualities, opposing desires, this constant struggle
that’s going on. As long as that struggle
is going on there is a wastage of energy,
obviously. When that struggle
is not, there is a totally different
kind of energy taking place. Right? There is the story
of a man, a philosopher,
or a patriarch, who was a well-known
teacher. And a disciple
came to him and said, ‘Master, teach me
how to meditate.’ So he sat up in the right
position, you know, and closed his eyes, and began to breathe
very deeply trying to capture
the higher webs, and vibrations,
and all the rest of it. So the Master picks up
two pieces of stone and rubs them,
keeps on rubbing them. And the disciple
opens his eyes and says, ‘Master, what are
you doing?’ He said, ‘I am trying to make
out of these stones a mirror so that
I can look at myself,’ and the disciple says, ‘Master, you can
never do that.’ He said, ‘In the same way,
my friend, you can sit like that
and breathe like that forever, but you will never…’
Got it?

100 Replies to “Is it true that yoga will awaken deeper energy, which is called kundalini? | J. Krishnamurti

  1. I have met many people, sincere practitioners, who have awakened the kundalini. In my opinion, we should all endeavor to do so in a healthy, balanced manner.

  2. Kundalini is not someone's wish, desire, aim, want. It is nobody's property n not for everybody to have. Poison knows who seeks it and who can bear it.

  3. If he answers in affirmative and says yes, then yoga will become a mean to an end, and yoga will become important more than anything. Not being able to find something through practice because there is nothing to find at all, you will become bore and other will come and say, Ah, try this one, Vipassana, this will help. After getting bore of it, another beard will come and say with a rather fancy word and say, transcendental meditation is the final and finest mean and we fall for that. Trap after trap, we let ourselves used like a commodity, and in attempt to find a meaning demean ourselves in the court of heavenly stars and sun and Earth. Ashamed and abashed, thrashed and trashed, we remained holed up in our consciousness and leads an unholy life.

  4. Thank you. I got caught up in all of this stuff, breathing, eating right foods, yoga exercises, etc. But Krishnamurti is right. Only "when the self is not" do I awaken. I appreciate this.

  5. But isnt Hatha yoga a part of the eightfold Raja Yoga? Why dismiss one part of the whole? there are several ways to start working on the mind and attain unity within you. Hatha yoga simply means you start with the body, because its the simpler way. Starting on the mind right away its more difficult, so by working on the body first you give the first steps in taming the control the ego exerts on you. I think he was being cranky that day…

  6. Yoga is just one another form of realising the self. J Krishnamoorthi has one way of realising it, Yogis has another way, Ramana Maharshi has another way but ultimately everyone is talking about the same. I dont understand why Krishnamurthi should make fun of the yogic way. For a whole lot of people doing yoga has helped them physically and mentally to reach the goal. Its another method. Accept it like that.

  7. This guy is a nut. See how tensed he is. Firs of all he has to learn to spell Yoga properly. Feels sad that these kind of guys are actually teachers and preachers and there is audience too. Jiddu bhai, do no try to teach things you do not know. It is good to answer, "I do not know"

  8. He touches upon Advaita Vedanta, indirectly. Can anyone direct me to a video where he speaks about non-dualism and looking at the mind/thought itself?

  9. Truth speaks what is not popular to hear what’s he is saying resonates with my own knowing of experience of becoming Namaste 🙏🏼

  10. When I was a child, I sat in the lotus position with a straight back and focused my awareness on my breathing, I was suddenly hovering above my body looking at myself.

  11. Krishnamurti was a beautiful flower,
    sharing his fragrance with all.
    Now the flower is gone,
    yet the perfume remains

    Question: what do you think is the fragrance or perfume?

  12. It is right what he said about "yoga and kundalini". Modern people often mix all deep understanding and build their own then with English language transfer all back into the world in different explanation.

  13. I agree with the speaker partly, however he is missing a huge ingredient. The body and mind are not 2. Which means that they reflect one another, so as done below is done above and vice versa, so any practice physically does alter brain and consciousness, inevitably. Some practices "physically" have different effects on the mind and vice versa. He is correct to advise that focusing on the things themselves as separate experiences of the self is the wrong approach that leads back to duality and self suffering. Constantly seeking a new experience is like a dog chasing its own tail. You are both the subject and object and you are nothing that can be defined by any words or any practices. Truth. He is also correct to minimize the priority of experiencing kundalini, since the snare can and is often the experiences and not the evolution of self. The evolution of self that has no conditions or limitations imposed by the ego or world's machinations.
    Be well.

  14. What I'm getting out of meditation I can't fully explain, but perhaps close to what Krishnamurti said, I lose myself a little each day, and this loss of self, brings about a new energy.
    In no way, am I gonna meditate daily for up to an hour, for months, if i wasn't tapping into something worth it – just sit, with no phone, music, or distractions, and if you start freaking out, there is reason #1 for you to start. I don't teach yoga, sell anything related, nor spent a dime on spiritual retreats, or yoga groups, but I can emphatically suggest to start seeking Pranayama!

  15. His teaching is Buddhism teaching but he didn't say it was Buddha's teaching. I know all Buddhism teaching . What he thought that is Buddhism teaching.

  16. The Theosophical Society (wealthy English aristocrats and Bourgeoisie), chose Krishnamurti because they though he would be a contemporary Buddha. They were wrong. He never experienced the results of Kundalini therefore in that pompous English aristocratic way, which SO many Raj era Indians adopted so well, (more Catholic than the Pope), Kundalini was rubbish. It's like people who think Ustrasana (Camel posture), is so called because of the shape the practitioner forms. When you know, you know.

  17. Have been an admirer of Jiddu krishnamurti until i heard this. The alignment of one's body in certain shapes for a certain period of time resonates with the geometric patterns occurring in our daily lives and in the universe and this is yoga. The concept of Yoga is to align oneself with these patterns as much as possible, to be in sync with the universe. Yoga is not a few centuries old, it is many millennial old. I can put across a ton of points to prove this, but then i might just write a book and make some money.

  18. people who are criticizing one form or another of practice without having themselves a true spiritual realization are just imitating masters and do damage around themselves and become arrogant. So listen to this man of if you to proceed in the way he indicates but please refrain from just copying some of his words and labeling other people.

  19. Why moon, mares when everything
    Is here. History helping us to improve in right path. No world
    In space what you have to done
    Is only here on earth.

  20. There are carvings on temples in India dating back thousands of years, depicting yoga asana. With all due respect and the utmost respect at that, I'm not sure exactly what Krishnamurti is referring to when he says yoga asana has only existed since the 17th or 18th century?

  21. JK is no doubt that he is a great philosopher, but regarding yoga it seems that he didn't explore more.
    JK is making fun with the word yoga without explained what is the fundamental of yoga by patanjali, which is also included the Asanas or yoga posture (this is which is now in modern days is popular). But the word yoga itself means unification not joining, its like unification of sugar with water where sugar lost it form and merge into water.
    In astangga yoga the first limb is yama then niyama, followed by asanas , pranayama, etc. Yama & niyama is the moral principles, the essence of yama niyama lies in the Isvara pranidhana means shelters to the Controller of the universe which is be done through the practice of meditation.
    The asanas itself is of two kinds: one is asanas for meditation such as padmasana, siddhasana, etc. And the others is asanas to balance the centre of energies (cakras) in the body which mistakenly called as yoga today.
    So the people who do meditation for sure they also do yoga posture, but those who only do yoga Posture doesn't mean that they do meditation. To awaken the kundalini for sure meditation is essential, and by the help of yoga exercise it make the body more prepare for meditation. So yoga posture will help the meditation practice and hence help to awaken the kundalini.

  22. I'm sorry but what Krishnamurti says about hata yoga, apart from giggles, is wrong, surely he never practiced it, and it is evident, and you shouldn't talk about what you don't have direct knowledge of, even if your name is Krishnamurti …

    Practicing hata yoga, it has profound effects not only on the physical, and it would be enough to know traditional Chinese medicine to know it, but it has extraordinary effects on the mental faculties, on the state of the mind, I am convinced that this practice can also increase the IQ by 30 points , but this, only in the time in which it is pursued in practice, if the practice is interrupted, everything returns as before. And why does this happen? Because the state of mental confusion decreases, the ape-mind occupies less space. This, only thanks to hata yog.

    To understand this, you don't need great esotericisms, you just need to know a bit about psychology and physiology, but also to know how to think about it.

    As for the kundalini, no one knows what that thing is, neither have they had this monumental experience, evidently to Krishnamurti never happened, and I feel sorry for him, and even here, it is not correct to speak of what you don't know, even if you are krishnamurti and have an audience of devoted listeners who chuckle on command.

    It is true that there is a lot of people who in the world or in the web speak about kundalini or tell that they had kundalini experiences just because they felt a chill in the back or feelings like those in the chi kung practice, but I don't think any of them know what kundalini is. Kundalini is a sudden experience that begins with a strong feeling of spinal bone starting from the sacrum, this feeling, which is just a physical sensation, rises and, within a second or two, reaches the head, at that point a thermonuclear bomb explodes in your head, at that moment you are no longer you, you lose the feeling of being a physical body, it's like everything, you and all around you becomes a ball of plasma without limits and this plasma is you and at the same time you are not, it is something impossible to describe also because the everyday rational mind fails to conceive that thing .it is a state unreachable to normal consciousness and there is even a tendency to forget it because it is something that cannot be recorded in the flow of daily events ‘l’intelletto si sprofonda tanto che dietro la memoria non può ire’. After the end of this explosion, one returns to the gray everyday life, nothing has changed, no enlightenment, no more intelligence or awareness, no more wisdom, you have remained the same fool as before, only with the memory that something beyond all conception and imagination has happened .

  23. I have yet to meet an awakened and critically thinking yoga teacher. All these "yogis" are a bunch of doom cough bird brains!!!!

  24. Yes going to primary will not make you a graduate instantly. If not for primary school you can never make into graduation!!!

  25. The only way to eventually awaken deeper energies is through the action of taking ever more responsibility for your own life. For your own happiness. Something that is mainly achieved by utterly refusing to in any way compromise with the unhappiness in others.

  26. The first statement was already wrong. yoga or yogic exercises was not made in 17th century. The rest of the argument is necessary.

  27. he says he had talked to some expert and they quoted others, and now he is quoting them , while asking people "Believe me" when nothing came from his own experience why should i believe him, actually one should not believe or disbelief anything which is in their experience, cause belief is always furthermost from the truth ….

  28. Yoga was already brought to China by Dharma Palar Kanchipuram in 4 AD, at least. Not 17, 18 Century, Hatha Yoga is physical only, small part. 7 cakras are only 7 level of perception, which you must retire to free yourself.

  29. Higher energy if it is there definitely can be achieved by healthy person physically and mentally,not by sick people

  30. I believe the meaning of this is- “no ego”
    Years ago I had some kind of spiritual awakening I like to call it. After that I started to realize more and more about life. When I saw people having a maybe “lower understanding of life” than me I felt the duty to talk and make them understand. But then I realized that I was, in my depths, feeling more superior! That’s when I realized I wasn’t truly awaken, or I didn’t yet understand many things. But it’s hard to get rid of it especially when u do it unconsciously. That’s when I started to get to fully know myself and who I am. Still doing it. Still trying to heal my soul. It’s a very very deep connection to your self. I believe, for one to awaken, u have to explore the depths of yourself. Especially your dark sides. You have to see it with your own eyes, accept it and then let it go slowly. It’s a journey that requires a lot of patience and courage. And I’m still on it. So not for one moment can I ever feel like I am better or worse now! I realize that we are all so unique and so different and so the same at the same time. Our life experiences is what makes us, us and I try to see behind every action a person takes before judging them. But do I still judge? Yeah sometimes I still do. “Removing the self” it’s maybe the most difficult thing out there because as humans we’re afraid to let go. But I’m glad that I am at least at this level of understanding right now. Still, I know I got a lot to learn. Just wanted to share this with someone that might need this.

  31. yoga is not invented in 17th or 18th century , yoga is not a physical exercise , but asanas (poses) build an ecosystem in the body to expand their consciousness , this gentle man with all dew respect , do not know any thing about kundalini , it is not to be discussed in the public forum , to realize it you need great practice a grt science , agreed there are fake gurus , who mislead the public , but it is not true

  32. What Krishnamurti was suggesting is likely this. But first, one needs to understand that his mind went through the analytical school's types of thinking and criteria. In light of that, he knew that no one on earth could demonstrate, in a scientifically acceptable way (process), the claims of subtle energies. To do so would mean repeatable and verifiable evidence by skeptical peers that an injunction or claim has 'passed' the scientific method. For whatever reason, NO ONE on earth has done this!
    Ken Wilber has a good paper on the post-metaphysics of subtle energies if anyone is interested.
    I'm a Christian Gnostic so we have a simple answer to all these claims of metaphysical power: BULLSHIT!
    I should mention also that the rise of post-secularism is a control gambit of the archons who have used religion as a cover for millennia and won't hesitate to continue their pontificating metaphysical bullshit for political control and power. This is what the recent postmodern conservatism and religious nationalism is about: warring against secular rule which came about via the liberal enlightenment. Yes, it does have its problems especially, in my opinion, liberal economics, but at least secularism offers rational protections against irrational (and untrue) and unverified religious claims…

  33. One thing I always thought was missing from J.K. was laughter and so I finally get to see him laugh, in other videos he stops people from laughing.

  34. Love the world and the world will love you back even in death. We were born to die, everything in between is up to you. What are you going to choose?

  35. "You have to PAY to learn Yoga, with all the breathing and that"…Yes you just heard it from the horses mouth. Exercising is doing circus, it has nothing to do with true Yoga. However, the female aspect of does portray the dancing of the body to convey one side of a particular practice.

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